Eliphas The Inheritor mind twist

Ok, many of us know Eliphas the Inheritor, the Word Bearers Dark Apostle who led the Chaos Legion on Kronus during Dawn of War: Dark Crusade. However, i've been left wondering exactly how he managed to return in DoW 2 Chaos Rising - even though by official accounts he had been destroyed by a daemon prince, (possibly Lorgar himself). So has anyone got a theory as to how he managed to make a return?

He didn't get destroyed. The Daemon Prince - who isn't Lorgar, as he never leaves the Warp - sent him to the Basillica of Torment where he was to be 'punished'. Nothing says he died, but nothing says he wasn't killed then resurrected, for example.

As for how he came back so quickly, maybe it's his chance to redeem himself.

wrong, actually, he outright refused to go back to the basilica (again) and the daemon agreed with him and destroyed him:
I Quote "The Daemon Prince declared that Eliphas is past redemption and refused to send him to the Basilica of Torments again, opting to destroy him outright instead, claiming that "It is a poor shepherd to blame his flock, Apostle. This failure is yours and yours alone." Eliphas attacked the Daemon Prince, but was lifted into the air by the Prince's power, and exploded in a huge gush of blood."

Black Jericho wrote:wrong, actually, he outright refused to go back to the basilica (again) and the daemon agreed with him and destroyed him:

So, in actual fact, I was right, and you are stating that 'I am wrong' despite restating what I said.

Black Jericho wrote:
I Quote "The Daemon Prince declared that Eliphas is past redemption and refused to send him to the Basilica of Torments again, opting to destroy him outright instead, claiming that "It is a poor shepherd to blame his flock, Apostle. This failure is yours and yours alone." Eliphas attacked the Daemon Prince, but was lifted into the air by the Prince's power, and exploded in a huge gush of blood."

That is what we saw. The Prince never says or states that Eliphas is going to die. Aliphas actually says, 'I won't go back to the Basillica of Torments again!' and the Prince replies with 'No Apostle - I have a much worse fate in store for you' and he explodes. Who's to say that he didn't get sent back to the warp to die many times over.

And when I come up with a theory, you have no evidence, and I mean none to simply say, 'Wrong'.

i took it that when u said 'he didn't get destroyed' u were'nt giving ur theory - it didn't sound like it to me. i probably worded my answer a bit wrong then. sorry bout that if u took it that way.

my theory is that abbadon had the essence of eliphas somehow remade manifest so he could serve chaos undivided further. It states in the official dark crusade result story that had eliphas defeated the Blood Ravens in North Vandea he would have gained the favour of Abbadon - so i think Abbadon had eliphas re-made in order that he could help vanquish the blood ravens on Aurelia

That's a good point - Abaddon couldn't have done it though. Maybe he has Kharn syndrome - he dies, then his patron god (in this case, all of them) resurrects him.

thats lucius the eternal isnt it not kharn?

Black Jericho wrote:thats lucius the eternal isnt it not kharn?

No, Lucius has a thing that Slaanesh needs him for a grand scheme, IIRC, and every person that kills him will turn into him if they take even a moment of pride from it.

it actually explains all this halfway through the campain when jonah the librarian says that his body was destroyed but his soul was sent to the warp to be "bartered by daemons" so i think either abbadon or the other chaos lord in chaos rising managed to manipulate a daemon which had possesion of eliphas's soul to surrender it to him either through a deal or by force and in return for being made human again eliphas had to serve the chaos lord (can't remember his name) or abbadon

This should solve the earlier argument

Skirax wrote:

Black Jericho wrote:thats lucius the eternal isnt it not kharn?

No, Lucius has a thing that Slaanesh needs him for a grand scheme, IIRC, and every person that kills him will turn into him if they take even a moment of pride from it.

Well that's him stuffed if he gets killed by:
* Necrons
* Tyranids
* Servitors
* A Machine Spirit
* Falling rocks

To be honnest I'm suprised he's still around.

while we're on the topic of dawn of war chaos lords, i thought i'd share this little video - the metal boxes. i found it vaguely funny.


Aaaaand back on topic

The Dark Angels picture at the end ruins it.

SSSSSIIIIIINNNNNDDDDDDRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*ahem*

speaking of dark angels, i've noticed than on the cover of the book Dark Apostle, Jarulek has a dark angel helmet hanging from his belt. just thought i'd mention it. But then the DA hate chaos more than many other chapters

This whole topic is pointless. You are talking about Eliphas dying when you play as other races. Play as chaos and he doesn't.

Also, read 1st chapter of the book 'The first Heretic' it's ownage

Yes, but in the official storyline, Zak, where the Blood Ravens triumph, he dies.

Zak, in the official fluff, Erebus is defeated.

Wow, you know GW is sad when they write fluff for a video game

Toastinator wrote:Wow, you know GW is sad when they write fluff for a video game

I know wrow.

Well considering it is a videogame based upon their universe that THEY created, I expect they would want to also write the background for it to fit in with the rest.

And just because someone dies, doesn't mean their soul (or whats left of it) is gone. Look at Lucius.

Ah, but the point about lucius is that he will always survive, whatever the hell happens to him. And he never switched legion, by the way, which is one of the odder things of Eliphas' story

Disturbed wrote:Ah, but the point about lucius is that he will always survive, whatever the hell happens to him. And he never switched legion, by the way, which is one of the odder things of Eliphas' story

Aha! Lucius will not ALWAYS survive. The thing that killed him will become him if they take any pleasure or feel at all proud of it, if I'm not mistaken. Well, say a rock fell and crushed Lucius into a messy goo. The rock's not exactly going to pat itself on the back and say "Job well done!", is it?

Azron wrote:

Disturbed wrote:Ah, but the point about lucius is that he will always survive, whatever the hell happens to him. And he never switched legion, by the way, which is one of the odder things of Eliphas' story

Aha! Lucius will not ALWAYS survive. The thing that killed him will become him if they take any pleasure or feel at all proud of it, if I'm not mistaken. Well, say a rock fell and crushed Lucius into a messy goo. The rock's not exactly going to pat itself on the back and say "Job well done!", is it?

Now I know I've already posted something just like that. I also included; Necrons, tyranids and now emos.

Ah yes, I didn't see your post last page. Ahwell ;D

What would happen if Lucius were to kill... HIMSELF?!